Shaun in the Cassidy family's music room
"Shirley" Cast, 1979, NBC
Shirley & Marty, 1980s
Publicity photo for their autibiography, 1990
Announcing their separation, February 2000
Recent guest role: "Sabrina the Teen-Age Witch" (ABC)
In concert
On a replica PF bus, Mason City Iowa
Relaxing in her mountain home |
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GH: There seems to be a difference of opinion
over the reason the series was cancelled. David has said his decision to
leave after the fourth season prompted the cancellation, and Bob Claver
feels it was the ratings. What is your take on the reason the show ended
after the fourth season?
SJ: They put us opposite All In The Family and
that was the death of the show. All In The Family was a brand new
concept in television, and suddenly we were old hat. I don’t think it had
anything to do with David leaving. I think the show had just run its course.
GH: Would
you have liked to continue?
SJ: The fact that we enjoyed it so much and we became
sort of a family, I think we would have liked it to go on a little longer.
But I think everybody had their sights set on other things. At least the
younger ones did. I think it’s good that it left when it did.
GH: After
the series was cancelled, CBS aired a cartoon series called The Partridge
Family: 2200 A. D. Were you contacted to voice your role?
SJ: Yes, I think so. I didn’t want to do it.
GH: The
A&E Biography indicated that, by the mid 70s, you were almost
broke. Is that true?
SJ: No, not really. There was a divorce here so we had
a lot of money going out. Plus, Jack spent a lot of money. So I didn’t
have what I should have had, but we weren’t broke, no.
GH: Did Jack get to see Shaun’s
rise as a performer?
SJ: In the beginning. He passed away just as Shaun was
breaking into the business.
GH: After
The Partridge Family, you continued appearing in a number of TV-Movies
and feature films. What brought you back to series work, for the NBC drama,
Shirley?
SJ: Again, I liked the regularity of a TV series. I liked
knowing what I am going to do every day.
GH: Since
it was an hour series, the schedule must have been a lot longer?
SJ: Yes, they were much longer but I loved the show. It
was such a good show. I thought we did a great pilot, which sold the show.
We started to work and then took a few weeks off. When we came back, all
of a sudden we had all new writers, all new everything! It was so terrible,
what they did to that show. Somebody at the network decided they wanted
to bring in their own set of writers and it was a disaster. It was the
first time I ever stood up and fought with people over a project. I did
the best I could because I knew we had something and I knew they were ruining
it.
GH: In
public, Jack seemed very reserved. Yet Marty [Ingels] seems the total opposite.
Was it that contrast between the two that attracted you to Marty
in the beginning?
SJ: Well, you know something? They are not the opposite
at all. I mean, they obviously don’t look alike, but the fact is their
birthdays are three days apart, so they are the same birth sign. Now, Marty’s
humor is a bit different and he has a different approach to humor than
Jack did, but Jack wanted to be a stand-up comic.
GH: Really?
SJ: Oh, yeah! He loved it! He loved comics. All of the
comics were his best friends.
GH: Did
Jack and Marty ever meet?
SJ: Oh, yeah! Before I ever met Marty, they haunted the
same places in New York.
GH: Did
they meet again while you and Marty were dating?
SJ: No, not at that point they didn’t. But there are a
great number of similarities.
GH: In
February 2000, you and Marty announced that you were embarking on a six-month
trial separation. Now that those six months are over, do you think it’s
going to work out?
SJ: I think so. I’m still living away, but we see each
other all the time. We just had our 23rd wedding anniversary,
and I’m moving back into the house at the end of December, so we’ll see.
GH: Does
it look like any of your grandchildren will carry on the family tradition?
SJ: Cate, my granddaughter [Shaun’s daughter], plays guitar
and sings quite well! She’s in college right now. She’s looking towards
that, but I think she’d also like to be a director.
GH: Your
fans are very protective of you, and become very vocal when they hear the
stories of problems between Marty and your children. Are the tabloid stories
accurate? Or are they exaggerated?
SJ: Well, they don’t really see each other. There are
problems, but they weren’t the cause of the marriage break-up.
GH: You
seem to be much more of a private person than Marty. Is it difficult for
you to see these problems played out in public?
SJ: Yes, it is very difficult. It’s one of our problems.
He’s such a blabbermouth! I call him "Garbagemouth" (laughs). The fact
of the matter is, Marty can’t lie. Everything is out there, whether he
is talking to the press or the neighbor next door. It’s kind of a nice
thing, because you sure know where you stand with him. But for me, who
is relatively private, it’s a problem.
GH: Which
of the three kids gets along the best with Marty?
SJ: I would have to say Patrick.
GH: Your
recent TV roles have been a dramatic departure from the roles you are known
for. Is that deliberate? Are you trying to shake things up?
SJ: Yes. Now in my career, I want to play roles that are
challenging and fun and different for me. I mean, I’ve done the other thing.
Now, for me, I want to keep an interest in what I am doing and have fun.
GH: Would
you like to return to a weekly TV series?
SJ: Yes, if it were an interesting role. I wouldn’t want
the lead anymore, though because I’d like to come in and out. I don’t want
that grind anymore. But, sure, I’d like to!
TO BE CONTINUED . . .
In Part 2, Shirley takes us back in time --
before there was a family named Partridge. From her childhood in Smithton,
PA, to those magical, early years of Rodgers and Hammerstein. From the
corn-fed prairies of Oklahoma to a seaside Carousel to a Music Man from
Iowa and a Cassidy named Jack. And Shaun. And Patrick. And Ryan. And, of
course, David.
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www.cmongethappy.com would like to give their
heartfelt thanks to the following passengers for their contributions to
this interview: Shirley Jones, Gene Yusem, Sharon Benesta of The Shirley
Jones International Fan Club, Cheryl Corwin — President of Friends Of The
Cassidys (FOTC), Michele Montour of The Official Ryan Cassidy Site, and
sound masters Scottie Gee and Ramon Aninag. Be sure to visit Shirley’s official website: www.shirleyjones.com for a complete history of her life and career.
While we refuel the bus, stay tuned for our
continuing series of interviews with cast and crew members, as we celebrate
30 Happy years with The Partridge Family!
©2000 Scott Awley for www.cmongethappy.com
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